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Robert Caldera
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Posted - 2011.10.18 09:25:00 -
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Endeavour Starfleet wrote:This is my fully detailed idea to address the issue of balance in the current cloaking system on Tranquility as of this post
there is no issue, so no "ideas" required.
nothing wrong of sitting cloaked while - Sleeping - Grocery shopping - out to see a movie - watching hulu - *** your gf
or whatever |

Robert Caldera
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Posted - 2011.10.19 21:00:00 -
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Endeavour Starfleet wrote:So your solution instead of addressing the solution is removing them from local so they have even more guaranteed free kills.
No that is not a solution and yes I am trying to break AFK cloaking. The same argument you make can be made for the "need" of AFK cloaking in any space. "We NEED to counter local" "We NEED to get these (free) kills"
If you can sit there in a system cloaked with access to Dscan then go take a shower take a nap or do what you want. I want it made risky. Not exempted.
why should afking cloaked significant risks? you afk in station waiting reds to disappear from local so you can go on ratting riskfree, so afkers wait some dumbass to appear for a "free kill". Whats wrong with this, still dont get it. part of the game |

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Posted - 2011.10.20 16:51:00 -
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Endeavour Starfleet wrote: Yes or no Mister Ingvar? Do you walk away or spend time not active in the client when cloaked?
I do. And this should stay viable/safe on safespot. |

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Posted - 2011.10.21 12:39:00 -
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the problem why people cry for an anticloak "solution" is they think the space is theirs, so they claim the right to kick out everybody of "their" systems - this is where they fail.
The space isnt yours, you should not have the right and tools to blob the **** everybody out of a given 0.0 system, just for doing your business in full safety.
Paying sov or rent (lol) doesnt make the space being yours, if others camp and hotdrop you in the area you live in, you are living in a hostile area, disregarding your TCUs. |

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Posted - 2011.10.21 18:12:00 -
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Endeavour Starfleet wrote:You can't blob someone out of a system with my plan. They can only be uncloaked if they refuse to act or not paying attention otherwise an extended period under AFK.
yeah thats what I mean, be at PC or get the **** blobbed out. But there is nothing wrong with being afk waiting for something to happen. You can afk dock forever as well. |

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Posted - 2011.10.21 18:57:00 -
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Endeavour Starfleet wrote: Thing is. In reality my main has never been seriously harmed by AFK cloaking. And I have the RL financial resources to run a small power use computer to AFK cloak if I wanted to. Yet I don't because I think it is wrong and I KNOW it is giving the huge alliances unbalanced power.
actually, its exactly the other way around. Big alliances dont need afk cloakers, they shoot your stuff to shreds and install their own TCU, if they wanted to. But they cant remove people from NPC space, they cant remove afk cloakers/cloakers, they cant blob the **** everyone they dont like from the space. Those small entities sit in NPC space and do their guerilla warfare, which is only possible due to cloak.
Endeavour Starfleet wrote:With my main I can get into the big alliances that can put up the big fleets to prevent free hotdrops and have cyno jammers on without issue.
no. you can do a **** against covert hotdrops, regardless how big your alliance is, somewhere is always an unoccupied system for a mid cyno to move the fleet. And even if there is none, you wont stop a fleet moving by a covert cyno/BO.
Endeavour Starfleet wrote:Yet I will continue to push this issue and these ideas for solutions. there is no issue, p*ssy |

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Posted - 2011.11.14 16:58:00 -
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Endeavour Starfleet wrote:I replied to someone again stating the "solution" is some big alliance buffing "remove local" deal. Similar to your idea I might add. Both aid the big alliances just differ in how much they "buff"
My idea targets the incentive to walk away while cloaked for long periods of time. It needs to be implemented or another idea that isn't some part "remove my ass from local so I can getz mah free solo kills for the few months they will line up and be mah target"
why not cloak and walk away from the PC if this gives you kills?? I mean, its how the game is played, if ppl watch local and hide as soon as one enters local, going afk in the said system is only logical step, there is nothing wrong with that! If you dont like bothering about neutrals in local, go back to empire instead of crying to CCP about changing the game to your favors. |

Robert Caldera
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Posted - 2011.11.15 16:53:00 -
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Endeavour Starfleet wrote:Because that was not what cloaking was intended for. AFK cloaking really exploded on the scene when the big alliances recently discovered just how useful it is against the smaller ones. so you exactly know what CCP intended cloak for?? How that? Larger alliances dont need afk cloakers in order to kick you in the balls, they just come, put SBUs in your system, shoot your crap and take the sov.
Endeavour Starfleet wrote:The incentive has to go why?? If he decides to pay a whole account just for camping one single system of eve, why not?? Its a valid decision.
Endeavour Starfleet wrote:And removing local wont do that ofc. Most people do afk cloaking because the people in that system arent killable at all, thanks to local. So if you use the local for your safely, why should an attacker not use the same local for stalking?? Thats all fine.
Endeavour Starfleet wrote:Just give more incentive to AFK cloak to do real damage against those weaker than the huge alliances in game. look above, those "huge alliances" dont need crap like afk cloakers, if they want, they come and steamroll you. Its rather the other way around, afk cloaking is the way to harass larger alliances by smaller ones, because you cant remove them as easy as the sov can be removed, assumed you got a huge amount of people on your side. You have no clue.
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Robert Caldera
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Posted - 2012.01.18 12:14:00 -
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if afk cloaking would be nerfed, instant local must go as well, because afk cloaking is the only way currently to subvert local intel.
Its simple as that. Otherwise it would be too easy to avoid any danger. |

Robert Caldera
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Posted - 2012.01.18 13:20:00 -
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Silentkiller1980 wrote:I guess there's lots of cloaky bomber pilots posting here! The point the OP is making is to try to make the AFK cloaker who just wants to shut down a system by warping to a safe spot cloaking up & going AFK in the knowledge that everyone is looking at local & sees a red in system & docks up. The psychological & physical risk is 100% on everyone else in that system & none on the cloaky guy. A system like the OP says would at least make sure that any cloaky red in system is actively hunting/scouting & therefore moving rather than AFK & no threat, and is now a target.
if you know thats the only intention of that particular pilot, just go on doing your things as you know he is not dangerous. AFK cloaking as itself is absolutely all right and even NEEDED with the current local system.
Robert Caldera wrote:if afk cloaking would be nerfed, instant local must go as well, because afk cloaking is the only way currently to subvert local intel.
Its simple as that. Otherwise it would be too easy to avoid any danger. |

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Posted - 2012.01.18 13:37:00 -
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a f*gg*t spotted. get the f*ck out if you dont have any real argument. |

Robert Caldera
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Posted - 2012.01.18 13:45:00 -
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can you understand my argument or not? Do you have any counter argument or not?
If not -> GTFO.
afk cloaking is the result of instant local. if you "fix" the first without the other, you get an even more broken nullsec than it is now. I dont want a too safe nullsec (it is already now) and yes, I want kills. you want absolute safety. There should be no absolute safety.
You can fly a 30 billion marauder in null with little risk till none because of always friendly locals. If you would do that in high sec, someone would come and gank you the day after he scanned your fit. Nullsec is already too safe. |

Robert Caldera
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Posted - 2012.01.18 13:51:00 -
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Lord Zim wrote:There we have the "absolute safety" bullshit card again.
Do you really think I can undock in any ship, even a velator, go to sleep for 8+ hours and wake up to a ship and not a pod in a station?
with absolute safety I mean for people who are not asleep or cloaked of course, I assumed that was clear for everyone who is not totally retrded. However, in big parts of null exactly this would happen, you undock your velator, go sleep and find yourself on a nice undock spot at your station 8 hours later!! |

Robert Caldera
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Posted - 2012.01.18 14:01:00 -
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Lord Zim wrote:Oh, so it's safety if I'm paying attention. yes, if paying attention = watching local then its too much safety for too little effort. Obvious. This is why people afk cloak, to take you this kind of safety. Thats absolutely all right and viable.
Lord Zim wrote:And I've tried this theory of undocking in a velator and just hanging around, multiple times. It's died every time.
you tried that in a wrong place. |

Robert Caldera
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Posted - 2012.01.18 14:15:00 -
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Lord Zim wrote:And it brings out the ******** gankers who just want to remove local because they're so bad at ganking they can't even catch the unwary. like I said.. nearly absolute safety for almost no effort. You disagree?
Lord Zim wrote:Oh really. A backwater end system with nobody else in system is "a wrong place"? What's the "right place" then? then you are either very bad at eve or very unlucky. As I said, for the most parts of zero, there arent hostiles for hours or even days. |

Robert Caldera
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Posted - 2012.01.18 14:25:00 -
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Lord Zim isnt even playing this game anymore, just sperging in forums about it. His last eve-kill record was in fact a loss of a VELATOR, 2 years ago, which he still cant get over apparently! :-D |

Robert Caldera
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Posted - 2012.01.18 14:46:00 -
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Lord Zim wrote: No, it's not "like you said". You said "absolute safety", not "nearly absolute safety".
its practically the same. You cant be killed if you watch local and dont want to get involved in pvp. The chance of that is very very slim. Watch local -> never get killed. Stop hairsplitting, its the same as if I would tell you there is a way of finding afk cloaker by closing <2000m to him. The chance is practically not there unless he is a f*cking dumb r*tard and deserves to die.
Lord Zim wrote: I guess next you'll say that having the possibility of detecting cloaked ships will bring forth "absolute safety" as well..
yes, it will. Having the ability of probing out cloaked ships would kill afk cloaking, which is exactly something I tried to tell you about in my previous postings. |

Robert Caldera
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Posted - 2012.01.18 15:03:00 -
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to be clear, I dont want any changes in regard to cloak and local at all, just pointing out they are interconnected and cant be changed separately without the other. |

Robert Caldera
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Posted - 2012.01.18 15:18:00 -
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Robert Caldera wrote:to be clear, I dont want any changes in regard to cloak and local at all, just pointing out they are interconnected and cant be changed separately without the other.
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Robert Caldera
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Posted - 2012.01.18 15:55:00 -
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Endeavour Starfleet wrote: With my idea. Active cloakers can still find and kill idiots that don't watch local all the same.
your idea sucks because it allows only kills on total noobs who are their first day in zero and havent learned that they should watch local yet. This is not a valid reasoning why instant local intel is fine but afk cloakers are not. |
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